ChatBridge Transcript for 081208 Part 2: Enhancing Your View

Bjorlyn Loon: STILL HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE
TommyJW Ninetails: pie is good, but which is best... cheese and onion?
Coughran Mayo: you can chatlog? What's next, multiple inventory windows?
Jag Nishi: that and using copybot
CSharp Writer: mmmmmmmmm
G2 Proto: umm CSharp what did we tell you about that?
MikeUB Michigan: Sorry wrong language, classes starting?
CSharp Writer: G2 the pie made me do it
G2 Proto: keep your hooby a secret friend
G2 Proto: hooby lol
JenzZa Misfit: lol
MikeUB Michigan: I guess not....thanks anyway
JenzZa Misfit: G2 ---->killing me here
G2 Proto: was there a spell checker interface idea?
G2 Proto: hehe
Coughran Mayo: we hear whispers of secret hoobys
CSharp Writer: it's true: I make crack pipes as a hobby
Coughran Mayo: but no one has ever actually seen one
G2 Proto: ok really now
Strawberry Fride: multiline text box
Strawberry Fride: I need more lines
CSharp Writer: wheeeeee
CeAire Decosta: Did you hear me Mike?!
MikeUB Michigan: I don't thik I've said anything too terrible
G2 Proto: his account was hacked
G2 Proto: he's ill
Vint Falken: nany, you could have participated in the UI contest? ;) but go to office hours, comment on dusan's blog (maybe he'll mention them still?) .. try to get yourself heard, SL isn't that big, it isn't that hard
Jag Nishi: Any Lindens available for question about the use of modified clients and different grids and their violation of the current ToS?
MikeUB Michigan: Might want to respell "think"
Jag Nishi: I love mod clients and OpenSim stuff rocks
Adam Zaius: Jag: The ToS was amended a while back about that, it's OK - Server interconnection is still a no-no though
Dusan Writer: my blog is always open Nany, thx Vint :) hehe
MikeUB Michigan: Other than that, I think I am alright
Jag Nishi: But the ToS says it isn't allowed still.
Jag Nishi: I am reading it now
Tara5 Oh: did you see the TribalOne OpenSim Facebook integration yet Jag?
Jag Nishi: Also, changes to the TOS require people to reacceppt the TOS on login
Nany Kayo: Thanks, Dusan!
MikeUB Michigan: Oh, so this is sort of a large "chat" or group blog
Vint Falken: tara5, you made me curious, linkage?
Tara5 Oh: http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/08/12/tribal-one-integrates-opensim-and-fac...
Malburns Writer: It's interesting Jag
Tara5 Oh: hehe opportunity for shameless self promotion
Vint Falken: well, your audiance can talk too if needed
MikeUB Michigan: a little philosophy meets James Joyce?
Jag Nishi: Integrating stuff isn't new, but it seems like there is a double standard until section 4.2 is ammended.
G2 Proto: tarah your blogs area resource anyone in opensim or SL should know of
Vint Falken: if you're tired of talking alone =)
Dusan Writer: you can always self promote Tara5
Tara5 Oh: *blushes*
CSharp Writer: puppy!
G2 Proto: I highly recommend http://www.ugotrade.com
Tara5 Oh: they are back!
CSharp Writer: doggy
CSharp Writer: i have 4 at home
TommyJW Ninetails: puppy juggling!?
Austen Scanlan: Ah Tara 5... a dream avatar for all seasons.
JenzZa Misfit: We are still working on the techicals everyone ! ****
CSharp Writer: tried it but they didn't seem to see the humor in it
CSharp Writer: they are too big to juggle now
MikeUB Michigan: IM or local?
TommyJW Ninetails: bigger jugglers needed
CSharp Writer: heheheh
Adam Zaius: Jag, from section 4.2: "Notwithstanding the foregoing, you may use and create software that provides access to the Servers for substantially similar function (or subset thereof) as the Viewer; provided that such software is not used for and does not enable any violation of these Terms of Service."
Adam Zaius: LL ammended that one back in like October 2005
CSharp Writer: got a hard break campers for my next meeting, gotta go, much luv and good luck with the sound :)
MikeUB Michigan: You can hear the local, I don't want to break into the overall conversation
Vint Falken: i need to leave for a while. nice meeting you all, Dusan, thanks again for organising the competition, we're awaiting the 'frankenstein' proposition
Dizzy Banjo: howdy
Jacek Antonelli: Take care Vint!
MikeUB Michigan: Or I can just type to myself that way
Jag Nishi: Yes, but I have yet to see a "Linden Lab Approved" mark or announcement officially to this date on any modified client or server software that interacts with LL technology.
Adam Zaius: It doesnt require LL approval as long as it doesnt violate the TOS in other ways.
Dizzy Banjo: whoa
MikeUB Michigan: Again, I still think I'm pretty safe
Vincent Nacon: I would like to see LL do something much more like WinAmp's skinning method
Dizzy Banjo: watch out Tampa
MikeUB Michigan: Always curious about people in SL
Dizzy Banjo: :D
Saijanai Kuhn: not to mention that LL is dealing with both the apache licensed pyogp, and the bsd licensed libsl viewers internally
Malburns Writer: Maybe Lindens are putting the gremlindens on for this discussion! lol
MikeUB Michigan: Scripters are the most interesting
Dizzy Banjo: the GREMLINDENS !
Vincent Nacon: instead of doing a fixed layout
MikeUB Michigan: They're the soul of SL, I think
Vincent Nacon: let people make their own layout
MikeUB Michigan: Why?
JenzZa Misfit: *** we are CLOSE to solved we think ! ***
Dusan Writer: /me nods at vincent
MikeUB Michigan: If you know BASIC and C you can script here easily
Saijanai Kuhn: hooray!
Jag Nishi: But the catch is, it does violate the ToS just by using a different grid or software as it deviates and uses LL's code without their stated approval.
TommyJW Ninetails: they got peanute butter in my chocklette
Adam Zaius: Jag: That line gives you approval.
Adam Zaius: LL specifically made that amendment for third party viewers.
Adam Zaius: It wasnt always there.
Jag Nishi: But combined with other lines, it negates that approval.
MikeUB Michigan: Plus, there are so many prescripts and objects it's almost counterproductive in some cases
Jacek Antonelli: Jag: negates? how so?
Jag Nishi: It's worded in quasi-fence-sitting terminology.
JenzZa Misfit: ** WE ARE ABOUT TO RESUME EVERYONE **** restart your video ! ***
Jag Nishi: bring on the ads!
MikeUB Michigan: SL scripting can't get much easier
JenzZa Misfit: lol
MikeUB Michigan: unless you do it for someone
JenzZa Misfit: *cue olympic theme *** oops .. wrong channel
Jag Nishi: SL scripting is really simple, trick is doing it efficiently
MikeUB Michigan: and there are limited engines out there for that task
Jag Nishi: Too much smog!
MikeUB Michigan: I'm more curious about the sociology of SL
Jag Nishi: Running the scripts efficiently and writing the scripts efficiently are equally as important
MikeUB Michigan: Npw that's interesting, in my opinion
Vincent Nacon: what? LSL is smoggy?
MikeUB Michigan: Now
Vincent Nacon: I think it's the people that are smoggy
Jag Nishi: The olympics are smoggy
Nany Kayo: what happened to the dog at colonia nova?
Vincent Nacon: yeah that's another reason why people are smoggy
Cindy Ecksol: oh, that's shadow. I told him to stay....
Vincent Nacon: :P
Bjorlyn Loon: GOING LIVE MOMENTARILY..... YOU MAY NEED TO RESET YOUR AUDIO AND VIDEO CONTROLS
Nany Kayo: oh
Cindy Ecksol: lol!
Jag Nishi: it lives!
Cindy Ecksol: slight tech problem....
Bjorlyn Loon: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE... WE HAVE STARTED AGAIN!
shadow: Noticed Cindy
Mikelo Serevi: WhoHoo!
MikeUB Michigan: Well, thank you for the conversation...if you're interested in explaining the heart and soul of this place, please look me up. Thanks again.
Jag Nishi: slight technical problem, spilling beer on the stream server
Malburns Writer: qt sound and vision is back
MikeUB Michigan: ever
JenzZa Misfit: Jag ...lol
MikeUB Michigan: interested
Bjorlyn Loon: For the user, what are the main advantages and disadvantages of the viewers that are currently available?
Is Second Life's User Interface Cursed by Knowledge? http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/01/why-second-life.html
Jag Nishi: Lol
MikeUB Michigan: Rather write another book...LOL\
JenzZa Misfit: /me is all about the heart & soul of this place :)
MikeUB Michigan: Thanks, again
Bjorlyn Loon: Quote from that New World Notes blog piece: “Thanks to the curse of knowledge, the very people who know Second Life most are also the least qualified to introduce it to a mass audience. (This is probably why the open source initiative and heads-up displays have failed to improve user retention-- most of the improvements and features to come out of them are made not for new users, but for established Residents.)”
Jacek Antonelli: SL's user interface is cursed by me. %#@$ing interface, what a piece of ^#$%@!
Nany Kayo: anybody copying all this to a notecard I can get a copy of?
Bjorlyn Loon: And from Phasing Grace | Social Media and Virtual Worlds: Solving Second Life® User Interface and Churn Dilemmas”http://phasinggrace.blogspot.com/2008/05/solving-second-life-user-interface-and.html
Jag Nishi: Interface works fine here.
Jacek Antonelli: ;)
Vincent Nacon: you mean Ben, Jacek?
Saijanai Kuhn: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Roadmap
Jag Nishi: Evidence of absence isn't absence of evidence
Bjorlyn Loon: • Historical
12 July 2007 Steve Linden: “After skinning, we are going to be looking to actively engage the development community to help with a more involved project, but one that will lead us towards what many folks have been asking for. which is a better way to create a custom client or customize this one.” http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/UI_Forum_Transcript
Jacek Antonelli: Vincent: No, just making a bad pun on "curse". ;)
Bjorlyn Loon: • Historical 12 July 2007 Steve Linden: “The first couple of projects, cleanup and skinning, require a lot of familiarity with our client code, so we are not expecting to be able to leverage a lot of outside resources on it. However, once we write the foundation for the data-driven model, there will be a lot of work converting all of our existing UI to use the new system. At that point I hope to leverage a significant amount of help from the OS community. For now, mostly we will be asking for feedback along the lines of "Is this the right set of priorities" and "What else should we be working on *now* before tackinging some of these valuable but complicated projects". So I will be putting up a public wiki page soon with this plan outlined. We will announce that to the group and solicit feedback, then keep you up to date on the inital internal projects. Maybe try to put together some smaller projects fopr the OS community based on feedback, and then actively engage the community for contributions....
Vincent Nacon: I know but... Ben is still are to blame
Jag Nishi: LL delivered on most promises
Vincent Nacon: ;)
Bjorlyn Loon: those are from: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/UI_Forum_Transcript
Nany Kayo: must be Canadian, eh?
Bjorlyn Loon: Old Linden Viewer or Sexy Independent Viewer
http://harperganesvoort.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/old-linden-viewer/
“increasing simplicity” usually means we’re headed for the era of what the New Hacker’s Dictionary calls “drool-proof paper.”
Bjorlyn Loon: oops
Bjorlyn Loon: Old Linden Viewer or Sexy Independent Viewer
http://harperganesvoort.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/old-linden-viewer/
“increasing simplicity” usually means we’re headed for the era of what the New Hacker’s Dictionary calls “drool-proof paper.”
Bjorlyn Loon: *rolls eyes* one more time!
CeAire Decosta: Fix a lot of things and break others!
Jag Nishi: Client isn't really that much, magic lays on the server end.
Bjorlyn Loon: Old Linden Viewer or Sexy Independent Viewer
http://harperganesvoort.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/old-linden-viewer/
“increasing simplicity” usually means we’re headed for the era of what the New Hacker’s Dictionary calls “drool-proof paper.”
Jacek Antonelli: Yes. In seriousness, the problems of the current interface largely come about from thoughtlessness on LL's part.
Bjorlyn Loon: there we go, lol
Malburns Writer: lol
Nany Kayo: see if Dusan says 'aboot' again.
Jag Nishi: skins, woo
Dusan Writer: abooooot
Vincent Nacon: yup and that's Ben Linden
Nany Kayo: lol
Tara5 Oh: It is an enormouse job to rebuild the client from scratch!!!!
Austen Scanlan: Yes, what about physical interfaces replacing the keyboard and the mouse????
Jag Nishi: LL has departments of coders
Bjorlyn Loon: what is the difference between a UI and a Skin? QUESTION
Vincent Nacon: oh oh that reminded me
Jag Nishi: not gonna have server jockeys writing interface code for the most part
Tara5 Oh: getting compatible with all the hardware outthere is huge
Bjorlyn Loon: was Dazzle a UI redesign or simply skinning? QUESTION
Jag Nishi: skinning
Jag Nishi: you can swap out images for buttons, ect
McCabe Maxsted: it was backend changes to enable skinning as well as a new skin
Jag Nishi: just look for the images in the install directory and mod away
CeAire Decosta: You can say that again....
Saijanai Kuhn: pyogp... ;-)
Saijanai Kuhn: but even for that ultra trivial project, you can review the meetings and see how tough cross-platform support has been
Jag Nishi: SL is a house of cards
Jag Nishi: gotta build carefully
Vincent Nacon: yup
Saijanai Kuhn: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Pyogp_Transcripts
CeAire Decosta: Good analogy!
Jag Nishi: oh, and there's a lotta ravenous jerks who scream everytime an exploit is fixed =P
Bjorlyn Loon: THE USER INTERFACE GROUP MEETS WEEKLY: TO COMMENT ON THE INTERFACE AND GIVE IDEAS: Benjamin Linden's office hours!

* When: Thursdays @ 3:00-4:00 PM PST
* Where: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/148/155/46/
Tara5 Oh: See M Linden's interview with Hamlet on NWN it seems he does say they are doing a new viewer http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/07/meeting-m-part.html
Vincent Nacon: there's a device that can pick up your brainwave, called Emotiv, which is perfect to control your avatar's expression and movements, and maybe build as well. http://emotiv.com/
Tara5 Oh: "On making Second Life delightfully usable… particularly for the new user, we need to give them a really simple and intuitive interface and as their capabilities grow and their desire to create content and own land and transact grows, we need to elegantly release those features to them, rather than hit them with 350 menu choices their first moment in-world. So that’s a pretty significant effort I’ve initiated since I joined… The functionality of the viewer should expand as your comfort with the medium grows. How we do that I think will become clear as we spend more time with Residents, we do more research, we test different ideas, but that's the basic premise."
Dizzy Banjo: thats very important point Dusan
McCabe Maxsted: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Skinning_How_To/Skin_the_viewer
Austen Scanlan: Hi Vincent. Yes, I've been following that development closely. Wonder what's happening with the LL pupetering effort?
McCabe Maxsted: some skins already made: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Viewer_Skins
Saijanai Kuhn: pyogp?
Vincent Nacon: they ditched it but they didn't know about Emotiv yet
Jag Nishi: not hard to access inventory (notecards/viewable scripts) and messaging with a slimline client allready
Austen Scanlan: I don't think it's completely gone yet. Tara 5 Oh I think knows something about it.
Dusan Writer: /me nods @ tara - i think they're doing something quite comprehensive but just a feeling based on M interviews etc
Malburns Writer: The "SLeek" client does most of ity already
Jag Nishi: people logging in completely looks good on the numbers though
Vincent Nacon: yeah it's not totally gone, just left behind on the burner while they gotta worry about other things first
Saijanai Kuhn: Sleek requires mono/.net. pyogp requires Python. much easier, IMHO
Austen Scanlan: Hmmm... this important. How do you start your cat from walking accross the keyboard. NOW that's important.
Jag Nishi: Load shifting, you might not want to maintain a patch, but as soon as they take it, the busy lindens get stuck with the load.
Dizzy Banjo: did someone just orbit Whump ? lol
Malburns Writer: lol Say - true that
Malburns Writer: Sai mean
Whump Linden: Dizzy, no just hiding in the bleachers
Jag Nishi: and anyone who does any complex programming would rather work off code they're familiar with or wrote themselves rather than something completely new or written in a different style
Saijanai Kuhn: of course, libsl (Sleek) is 100+x as mature as pyogp, but we're catchng up ;-)
Dizzy Banjo: aha .. i was just contemplating the severe banhammering their account would get .. lol
Jag Nishi: pre open source, people using different clients got banned quite often
Jacek Antonelli: Amen, Dusan and Adam.
Bjorlyn Loon: Roy could you please turn off your Microphone
Jag Nishi: Bots are allowed now? Woo!
Vincent Nacon: except copybot
Bjorlyn Loon: DUSAN WRITER’S BLOG: http://dusanwriter.com
Austen Scanlan: How do you spell that?
Dizzy Banjo: /me makes note to do a survey
Bjorlyn Loon: THANK YOU SLCN! http://slcn.tv/
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Malburns Writer: Yep - tweo idle avies - do they copntribute to lag too?
Jag Nishi: Copybot is old, newer programs do its job now
Dusan Writer: /me applauds arrival of Rheta
Jag Nishi: Traffic padding
Tara5 Oh: thanks everyone a great show!
Dizzy Banjo: w00t great show folks :)
Tara5 Oh: yeah Zain!!!
Rheta Shan: (rezzing)
Vincent Nacon: traffic bots are useless already since LL changed the search for places
Jacek Antonelli: Jag: It's the violating of the TOS that is the problem, not the using of different clients.
JenzZa Misfit: hi Rheta :) yes let it rez
Strawberry Fride: great show folks
Dizzy Banjo: /me claps
Austen Scanlan: Hey Dizzy. As the church lady used to say on SN live.. Isn
JenzZa Misfit: old sim
Austen Scanlan: t that special.
Malburns Writer: Yay Rheta =
Zotarah Shepherd: Great show Thanks
Malburns Writer: /me YAY CONGRATUATIONS!
Malburns Writer: /me APPLAUDS!!!
Jacek Antonelli: Congrats, Rheta :3
Saijanai Kuhn: /clap
Dusan Writer: Yay Rheta congratulations
Rheta Shan: Hey JenzZa. Ta for the TP :)
Salem Sella: Congrats Rheta!! Great work!
Austen Scanlan: Good bye and good night everyone.
Michele Mrigesh: Thanks Cindy...great coffee
Jag Nishi: also, agents in a sim still use a lot of resources for positional updates, and generally recieving the sim server data as things happen
Rheta Shan: Hello everyone, blob and rezzed !
Bjorlyn Loon: THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING!
Olando7 Decosta: thanks all
Dizzy Banjo: congratulations Rheta
Olando7 Decosta: great show!
Jag Nishi: woo!
Vincent Nacon: np
Beyers Sellers: hi Rheta!
WillieThePimp Reifsnider: amazing exp.
Crystam Flyer: really great this time
Mikelo Serevi: Bye, Rain! :)
Rheta Shan: Thank you Dizzy, Dusan…
Strawberry Fride: thanks folks - another entertaining evening :) seeya!
Bjorlyn Loon: SEE YOU NEXT WEEK FOR OUR SHOW ON MICROSOFT WITH CSharp!
Jag Nishi: sweet
JenzZa Misfit: Rheta can you hear us on voice ?
Strawberry Fride: will be there :)
Rheta Shan: Hey Jacek :)
Jacek Antonelli: Hi Rheta ^_^
Rheta Shan: Wait a mo.
Jacek Antonelli: hehe
Jacek: /me gives Rheta a big hug.
Bjorlyn Loon: NEXT WEEK: Zain Naboulsi, CSharp Rider in SL....! See you Monday at Noon!
Malburns Writer: cSharp is a witer - naturally - lol
Dusan Writer: haha
Dusan Writer: nice check
Coffee Service (Click for a cup): gives a cup of hot coffee to Lor Gynoid
Jacek Antonelli: Congrats again :)
Rheta Shan: Thank you :). Did you win too ? Tell me you did !
Garret Bakalava: photo op pls!
WillieThePimp Reifsnider: goodnight everybody, see you!
Garret Bakalava: Congrats Reta
Rheta Shan: Aw, congratulations ! That’s so great !
Jacek Antonelli: You win this time, Rheta Shaaaaaaan! *shakes her fist dramatically* ;)
Rheta Shan: Sorry, everybody, no voice — Rl precluding.
Rheta Shan: /me cowers in fear of Jacek
Rheta Shan: :)
Jacek Antonelli: hehehe
Rheta: /me gives Jacek a big hug.
Bjorlyn Loon: and now you can have your mic on Roy!
Jacek Antonelli: Hehe. Mmm hugs.
Bjorlyn Loon: Typewriter Tackleberry: If anyone is interested I am speaking on Research tools and methods in about 5 mins http://slurl.com/secondlife/MLBR%20Cidade%20Conhecimento/150/118/24
Jacek Antonelli: Congrats to you too, Roy :)
Dusan Writer: Rheta you need to come on up to accept a giant check with the others hehe
Rheta Shan: Oh. Eh. Yes, of course
Marlene Duranjaya: let's go
Dusan Writer: hmmmm what happened to the giant check giving animation
Jacek Antonelli: And all the other finalists deserve much applause, as well!
Dusan Writer: i thought we found a store that sold those
Rheta Shan: /me claps
Jacek Antonelli: Do you want us on stage, Dusan?
Vincent Nacon: he does
Dusan Writer: please that would be wonderful
Eric Reuters: hey roy
Dusan Writer: Roy can you hop up here
Dusan Writer: Rheta perhaps stand to my left
Rheta Shan: Hey roy :)
Roy Cassini: Hey Rheta, congratZ!
Rheta Shan: Congratulations yourself, I think ?
Rheta Shan: Ta :)
Jacek Antonelli: /me nudges Rheta over next to Dusan
Dusan Writer: so amazing you could make it Rheta
Dusan Writer: you
Dusan Writer: you'll need to go to a giant bank to cash the giant check
Rheta Shan: Late as always.
Dusan Writer: thankfully in SL there's one of everything
Rheta Shan: Me, I mean :)
Rheta Shan: /me giggles
G2 Proto: giant check woot!
Jacek Antonelli: Are we aiming to be in front of the screen?
McCabe Maxsted: congrats, the lotta ya
Malburns Writer: has it got copy permissions?
Salem Sella: The ol presenting of the check.
Free Radar HUD: /me v1.1 by Crystal Gadgets
Rheta Shan: /me laughs
Dusan Writer: /me nods hehehe
JenzZa Misfit: Roy ... could i get you to go
Bjorlyn Loon: Roy can you move down with the group?
Beach Ball (drag to ground): Drop me on the ground, don't attach me to your body.
JenzZa Misfit: stand with the others ? thanks
Salem Sella: Congrats to the very tallented winners!
Rheta Shan: /me claps
Dusan Writer: /me hands the check dramatically to Rheta and says with an ed mcmahon voice" "Congratulations, and thank you for helping to make SL better." :)
Malburns Writer: /me APPLAUDS!!!
JenzZa Misfit: Bravo! -- Cheers! - Applause!
Garret Bakalava: Yea guys!.. nice to see two women too!
Dusan Writer: thanks all :)
Rheta Shan: /me takes the check, nearly drops it, and looks really flustered
Dusan Writer: /me grins
Dusan Writer: hmmm where's that cake again?
Rheta Shan: Er.
Rheta Shan: Thank you so much, Dusan.
Salem Sella: Sny one who can make the inventory work better should win a lot of Ls..
Roy Cassini: Thank you too Dusan! and thanks everyone :)
Dizzy Banjo: c u l8r folks :D
Jacek Antonelli: Hehehe
Jacek Antonelli: Yay big check
Rheta Shan: /me smiles
Malburns Writer: later Dizzy !!
Rheta Shan: /me mutters Oh my gosh
Jacek Antonelli: :o
Roy Cassini: ! :D
Jacek Antonelli: Come on Rheta, let's go blow it on booze, strippers, and drugs.
Dusan Writer: wow and thanks on behalf of the judges too for making their lives so interesting it was quite the process.
Dusan Writer: haha
Rheta Shan: /me giggles
Bjorlyn Loon: turning off Chatbridge now
Rheta Shan: Thank you all for being here.
Dusan Writer: thanks jenzza that's awesome
Bjorlyn Loon: Dusan can you drop me the web link on winners again?
Dusan Writer: http://dusanwriter.com/?p=803
Dusan Writer: http://www.dusanwriter.com/contests/ui_winner.html
Dusan Writer: rheta - we created a flash version of your entry
Dusan Writer: that's the second link
Bjorlyn Loon: thanks!
Rheta Shan: Oh my.
Rheta Shan: /me is crimson by now
Bjorlyn Loon: and hopefully you can get a blog post announcing the winners up on the Metanomics page right away, Dusan?
Dusan Writer: absolutely Bjorlyn :)
Bjorlyn Loon: I'd like to make it sticky at the top =)
Bjorlyn Loon: thanks!