Chat Transcript for 04/25/08 Part 2

[2008/04/25 11:48] Thursday Xu: If anyone s interested in getting deeper insight into Chronicle of Higher Ed contributer, Michael Bugeja's style of showmanship as a technology detractor, see: http://connect.extension.iastate.edu/p29452072/
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Perplexity Peccable: :)
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Norma Underwood: lol
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Wiz Nordberg: Interesting that congress isn't so concerned that people are spending too much time watching television
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: arabella Ella: SL has replaced my TV time ;)
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Perplexity Peccable: at the same time, Bjorn!
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ...darn Ethan Linden anyway ! making me walk that plank !
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Valiant Westland: What
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Valiant Westland: TV?
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Buffy Beale: good point Wiz
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: JenzZa Misfit: .....T .... what ? Wiz ?
[2008/04/25 11:48] IM: Chimera Cosmos: this is back in the discussion--but CDB is a dog and everyone loves that--does everyone really have to dress preppie?
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Because television doesnt have feedback and it's an effective means of controlling people. You can NOT control people through virtual reality. WE make the world, not them.
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Timecat Hotaling: hides fact im onlien 100 of hours
[2008/04/25 11:49] Lyday Latte: New book: "Coming of Age in Second Life" by Tom Boellstorf/ Tom bukowski, published this week, I think. Anthrpological research on Second Life Culture
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Perplexity Peccable: My SO also doesn't like it
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Timecat Hotaling: my hubby doesny mind as much
[2008/04/25 11:49] Lyday Latte: could be relevant to current discussion
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: JenzZa Misfit: hi Alanagh
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Nicole Tarber: Not a bad thing when people spend time on good stuff[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Perplexity Peccable: but it is work for me
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Valiant Westland: Time on "Good Stuff" BINGO!
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Alaya Kumaki: lol dirk ther even an invisible avi were there to many prims
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Sered Woollahra: my wife doesn enjoy it either
[2008/04/25 11:49] Niamh Babii: That book is out in June here
[2008/04/25 11:49] IM: Timecat Hotaling: after i took him through some of it
[2008/04/25 11:50] Lyday Latte: You can download first chapter free
[2008/04/25 11:50] IM: Perplexity Peccable: SL - vs RL relationships
[2008/04/25 11:50] IM: Fleep Tuque: excellent point, Larry
[2008/04/25 11:50] Hour Destiny: Gentle Heron is usually SL to help people with disabilities become more independent.
[2008/04/25 11:50] IM: Chimera Cosmos: noooooo! need more time!!!
[2008/04/25 11:50] Niamh Babii: Where Lyday?
[2008/04/25 11:50] Hour Destiny: Gentle Heron is using SL to help people with disabilities become more independent.
[2008/04/25 11:50] Lyday Latte: let me find the link Niamh
[2008/04/25 11:50] Niamh Babii: thanx
[2008/04/25 11:50] IM: Timecat Hotaling: my kids know aboutmy sl experiances and discuss them wit hme
[2008/04/25 11:50] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Make Larry stay! If you don't, he is just going to watch TV and be passive!
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Stargazer Blazer: aliant Westland: re: " it doesn't matter who you are in rl, in this world, you are judged by what you do and say." How do you establish trust, creditworthiness, etc. here?
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Perplexity Peccable: my son was in Teen Grid - hated it
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Nicole Tarber: SL vs RL relationships...I'm not sure there is a great deal of difference...or there needn't be. Especially in business, treat people the way you would in RL, or even challenge yourself to treat them BETTER than in RL
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: arabella Ella: organisatyions don't useSL with 60K users ... crazy
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Chimera Cosmos: lol Dirk
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Timecat Hotaling: i try to treat better
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Alanagh Recreant: interesting... yes please... link
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ....... my SL ( 3 pcs and an air traffic controller headset ) ...is right in the middle of my family room .. no secrets here :) ...but my dogs look at me funny
[2008/04/25 11:51] Lyday Latte: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8647.html
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Timecat Hotaling: my shop is about customers service
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Stargazer Blazer: You establish it, Valiant, by building relationships with people, and gaining a reputation as an ethical businessperson.
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Alaya Kumaki: why better here than in rl?
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Lyday Latte: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8647.html
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Timecat Hotaling: i had to limit my cats pc time
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Perplexity Peccable: [11:48] Thursday Xu: If anyone s interested in getting deeper insight into Chronicle of Higher Ed contributer, Michael Bugeja's style of showmanship as a technology detractor, see: http://connect.extension.iastate.edu/p29452072/
[2008/04/25 11:51] Lyday Latte: there you go
[2008/04/25 11:51] IM: Nicole Tarber: Jenzz..hehe my cat is trying to have me carted off in a straight jacket
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Buffy Beale: yay Larry!
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Timecat Hotaling: he tried soemthing he saw in the game
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Fleep Tuque: I think this is the Metanomics sow that Beyers was referring to http://slcn.tv/metanomics-mitch-wagner-steve-prentice
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Valiant Westland: We need to have "islands" of the platform, with each organization able to create their own and still have them linked, based on a common (open standard)
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Chimera Cosmos: cats have a very high level of intelligence JenzZa :-)
[2008/04/25 11:52] Fleep Tuque shouts: I think this is the Metanomics sow that Beyers was referring to http://slcn.tv/metanomics-mitch-wagner-steve-prentice
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Perplexity Peccable: [11:51] Lyday Latte: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8647.html
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Valiant Westland: After all, not every website runs on a single server farm!
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: IYan Writer sprains his neck from nodding.. ouch
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Timecat Hotaling: no he types meow
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Lyday Latte: Coming of Age in Second Life: an anthropologist explores the virtually human, by Tom boellstorff
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Perplexity Peccable: "companies come into SL with NO tiem spend understanding the culture"
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Community FTW!!!!
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Perplexity Peccable: "a waste of out time and theirs"
[2008/04/25 11:52] IM: Lyday Latte: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8647.html
[2008/04/25 11:53] IM: Chimera Cosmos: they didn't do a good job with the SL-web-RL format at that conf
[2008/04/25 11:53] IYan Writer shouts: Last Metanomics show video, transcripts: http://metanomics.net/22-apr-2008/ll-situation-dire-transcripts-now-avai...
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Perplexity Peccable: the odl "if we build it they will come" idea, which totally does not work here
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Niamh Babii: Wonderful to get that link, I hadn't noticed it. Thanks
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Chimera Cosmos: they can do much better and should
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: That's a big problem I've had. I've been looking to be a community manager for a corporation here, but they tend to say one isn't nessecary. They build 3 sims, no one goes to them, then they decide it's a waste of time and leave. And someone like JenzZa can get 120 people to come to a patch of DIRT because she knows how to run a community.
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Valiant Westland: Amen Hydra!
[2008/04/25 11:54] Female ZHAO-II AO: Couldn't find animation sitting chair f05
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ...awww .. Hydra ! how sweet of you :) * checks in the mail *
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Media Hax: Larry nailed it about the corporate attempts to come into SL...
[2008/04/25 11:54] Niamh Babii: But SL builds on MUDS MOOS et al
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Valiant Westland: The "Field of Dreams" approach has NEVER worked!
[2008/04/25 11:54] Niamh Babii: Tiny Mud did stuff years ago
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: JenzZa Misfit: <--- goes all shy
[2008/04/25 11:54] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: A nice looking sim is cool and all, but you need community to succeed here. SL is about people, not prims
[2008/04/25 11:54] Niamh Babii: ?
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Alanagh Recreant laughs..... except, Muse Isle aint no dirt ;)
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: arabella Ella: those who fail use RL tactics in SL and do not do research to see how to use different strategies
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Alaya Kumaki: slis a comunity style
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Media Hax: Which is why I wonder about the new CEO
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Nicole Tarber: It was a nice movie though....guys in baseball pants...WOOOT
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Kwil Lowey: Isn't that rather telling though? SL isn't the attraction, it's the community manager, which could be done over standard chat/streaming technology.
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Perplexity Peccable: "we have to be aifr" - "we are askign SL to be things it was never intended to be"
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Valiant Westland: "those who fail use RL tactics in SL and do not do research to see how to use different strategies" The opposit is true too!
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ...and that is why Virtual Africa will ROCK ! Alanagh .. AMAZING piece of dirt with an ever so amazing person taking care of it ... YOU
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Perplexity Peccable: "be fair"
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Chimera Cosmos: no Kwil--the avatar embodiment thing is crucial
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Alanagh Recreant: spam spam
[2008/04/25 11:55] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: its the community, not the community manager. the manager just brings it all together
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Fleep Tuque: Well, no, it's not just JenzZa's lovely personality, it's also what she brings to that community when they respond
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Valiant Westland: Those who think they can ignore proven RW "Best Practices" for business, just because they are in SL are also doomed to failure!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Niamh Babii: applause
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Timecat Hotaling: well nice talking to you all
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Fleep Tuque: nod Hydra
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Nicole Tarber: Hehe Jenzza don't hold anything back, tell us what you really think
[2008/04/25 11:56] Dirk Talamasca shouts: LARRY YOU ROCK!!!!!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Alanagh Recreant: I agree Fleep.. there needs to be meaning
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Chimera Cosmos: Yxes! Say it ain't so!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Larry Pixel: awwwww
[2008/04/25 11:56] Thursday Xu: great work, larry!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Nany Kayo: communication makes the community
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Fleep Tuque: Thanks so much Larry and Beyers, great show!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Larry Pixel: ty!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ......... ooo ! its over ??
[2008/04/25 11:56] Buffy Beale: Yayyyy Larry !
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Timecat Hotaling: if you ever need to talk to a child avator about being a child and why let me know
[2008/04/25 11:56] Caldwell Nightfire: THANK YOU Guys!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Thursday Xu: ty beyers
[2008/04/25 11:56] Fleep Tuque: Thanks Larry,. great show!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Caldwell Nightfire: Great talk!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Lehnerd Euler: excellent show...
[2008/04/25 11:56] Lyday Latte: will THIS discussion with Larry be rebroadcast??
[2008/04/25 11:56] Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Niamh Babii: applause
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Chimera Cosmos: sob :-(
[2008/04/25 11:56] Perplexity Peccable: /calp
[2008/04/25 11:56] Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IYan Writer applauds!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Nicole Tarber: Thank you!!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Dexter Tones claps
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Chimera Cosmos: not over!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Yxes Delacroix: yxes?? what?? lol what isn't so??
[2008/04/25 11:56] Lyday Latte claps!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: JenzZa Misfit: *** GREAT BACKCHAT EVERYONE ** GREAT SHOW BEYERS ******
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: IYan Writer: great show!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Olando7 Decosta applauds!!!
[2008/04/25 11:56] Venus Jervil: great show, thanks all
[2008/04/25 11:56] IM: Alanagh Recreant cheers.... was good to be here!
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: arabella Ella: excellent Beyers and JenZa thank you
[2008/04/25 11:57] Hour Destiny: Too bad Jon Stewart wasn't in attendance.
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Bilbe Gaffer: Thanks. This was wonderful... as usual Beyers.
[2008/04/25 11:57] Larry Pixel: you guys deserve lots of credit!
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Venus Jervil: yes, excellent show
[2008/04/25 11:57] Salem Sella: Claps Very Loudly!!!!
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Alanagh Recreant: thanks Metanomics
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Veeyawn Spoonhammer: Very nice
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Transcriptionist Writer: Yes, great interview
[2008/04/25 11:57] Fleep Tuque: I can barely hear Nick
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Chimera Cosmos: JenzZa, when is the recap/rehash at Muse? can Larry come??
[2008/04/25 11:57] Fleep Tuque: hm not sure what happened there
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Sered Woollahra: good show
[2008/04/25 11:57] Amilie Anatine shouts: nick you were very faint in that audio
[2008/04/25 11:57] Larry Pixel: thankk 57 and Neyers
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Beyers Sellers: darn it....ran out of time!
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Media Hax: Good job NMC!!
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: JenzZa Misfit: .. actually .. I havent talked to Wiz about that ... perhaps we will replay this on Tuesday .. after Mondays replay !
[2008/04/25 11:57] IM: Valiant Westland: re children: One of my own personal goals is: "As I grow older I want to be more and more "Child Like" and less and less "Childish"
[2008/04/25 11:57] Larry Pixel: this was a lot of fun
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Chimera Cosmos: who is this Nyers person :-)
[2008/04/25 11:58] Lyday Latte: yes nick, we could only hear you thru the guest speakers audio
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: I really, really wanted to mention Hydra's comment earlier
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Cindy Ecksol: reall good job, beyers...
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Media Hax: Good show Beyers
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Perplexity Peccable: Very very cool
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: hehe
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: hold on, let me find it
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Aki Shichiroji: Great show :) Thanks for the discussion!
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ....and of COURSE Larry could come
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: [11:38] Hydra Shaftoe: There was a news spot on CNN this morning about college students not being able to attend classes due to high gas prices. One woman just casually mentioned she's going to some classes in second life, but the focus of he news piece was on gas prices. I see *THAT* as real progress, and SL being accepted mainstream as just part of the web. THAT is real progress for us.
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: JenzZa Misfit: yes do Beyers ...Hydra is on point
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: [11:51] Hydra Shaftoe: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-15283
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Cindy Ecksol: wow!
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Fleep Tuque: Yes, thanks for highlighting Beyers, that's a great point
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: yes
[2008/04/25 11:58] Amilie Anatine shouts: hello i am a volunteer, please IM me if you need anything
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Beyers Sellers: with 30 more seconds, would have closed with it!
[2008/04/25 11:58] IM: Chimera Cosmos: Yea! Recap!
[2008/04/25 11:58] Female ZHAO-II AO: Couldn't find animation sitting chair f05
[2008/04/25 11:59] Salem Sella: You are not in any team JenzZa?
[2008/04/25 11:59] IM: Chimera Cosmos: more! more! encore!
[2008/04/25 11:59] IM: JenzZa Misfit: nice
[2008/04/25 11:59] IM: Lyday Latte: Second Life = great tool for PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, some of whom, due to mobility disabilities, may be unable to attend regular classes - SL levels the playing field
[2008/04/25 11:59] Salem Sella: I am not sure what is really going ot happen my self but I was told to get a team of 4 people together
sourcing"